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Post by maybee on Jun 20, 2009 10:09:53 GMT -5
I was woundering how many years it takes for the soil to cleans itself and get soil life back. To me if we have good crop prices the costs of imputs will rise and eat most of the extra profits the way i currently farm. My dad never used fert and very little spay. When i took over i used half the fert as i do now. My crops yielded not much less as now on a average crop. But now i have to use products that i never used before and i have the odd wreck that i never had before.
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Post by AGGuy on Jun 20, 2009 17:02:36 GMT -5
I think you could see benifits the first year and take a couple of years to get back to a decent soil. I think we need some fertilizer but not as much as you have been using. Retailers are the only ones that come out ahead. It's a huge gamble for you. why would anybody suggest to put all your fert down in the spring not knowing what the weather is going to do. There is a heck of alot of guys with huge fert bills and no crop. Doing a split application of say 50 lbs N down gives you the option of the next application. And when the second application is timed half ass close it can increase yield. The old way does nothing but stress out the plants i feel that why we need pescticides and fungicides. My dad never used fert or chem he was organic and never knew it. he never has issues and then the one year he got talked into apllying fert he had to spray. When he died my brother bought the farm ( half section at the time) went two years and gave up and he listened to a retailer. After two years he never made a cent good thing he still worked at his job. Why don't we see leaf rust and stem rust in grasses along the bush or in ditches maybe because it natural soil. Do you hear of organiuc farmers having no crop because of disease.
I would like to see a study done comparing crop damage by insects and disease to what the farmer used for inputs see if there is a link. The retailers tell you to put everything down and when you have a reck and still owe a huge bill the y blame it on the weather it the oldest game in the book. A healthy plant can withstand weather better so it may not be such an issue. This year nothing could help but at least my way you would still have maybe 25 dollars plus an acre still sitting in the bank. I think the agriculture industry is the poorest ran and thought of and yet it supports the world. the retail market reveolves around your trusting the guy selling you the products but yet if he sells alot he gets a bonus so is he really interested in you. ? Chem companies take retail owners on fishing trips and all expense paid vactions to mexico ect and you're freezing your ass off. The day of the farmer retail trust is over your farm is a bussiness and it's a dog eat dog world the retailers work for you not the other way around.
There are hundreds of thousand acres of biofertilizers out there guys using good safe products and making money. Sure you have to watch what your buying but if they have been in bussiness for 30+ years you know there has to be something to it. The company in the states i need to call have been in bussiness for over 40. There is an agronomist on video stating he used a third of the inputs the neighbors used and he has a better crop. the warnings of over fertilizing has been going on since 1921 and yet we ignore them. The fertilizer yield ratio peaked along time ago and now i think we are having to add more fert to just maintain yield. But i think the answer is to cut your fert way back and use foliar it works .
If i could talk to enough guys and educate them on this they could make the choice whether to try it or not. I would love to start my own bussiness and market a few products and help guys out. I think there are enough guys out there realizing there has to be a better way they just have to start speaking up and don't worry if they tick off there buddy at the retail. They worry about there bussiness you worry about yours.
I have alot of interest in this maybe because of the year were having, to bad it took this for guys to start asking questions. I was going around last year and shut down by everyone except a couple guys who are buying again for a second year. When you guys get good years you don't think of this but it can always happen. Reduce your risk every year because you never know what may happen.
And lastly i kind of challenged hartman on agriville to a crop consulting contest to see you could make a farmer the most money on 80 acres . we'll see what happens.
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